Showing posts with label Canon PowerShot SX1 IS. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Canon PowerShot SX1 IS. Show all posts

Thursday, August 6, 2009

Smackdown SONY HX1 vs Canon SX1 / SX10

Compare manual focus
The Canon enlarges part of the center while the Sony enlarges the full frame.
It takes a while to focus the Canon because of the stepless wheel you don´t know if a bit more ore less will make a focus difference. The thumb wheel of the Sony lets you hear and feel the steps between the single focal points and you see the difference instantly between steps.





Compare manual mode
It takes a while to get the changes to show up because of the stepless wheel. If you turn to fast it will skip over points or , like on your radio if you spin the volume to fast, it will not register at all. If you turn to slow nothing might happen or even the Canon exits the mode as seen on the video. In Manual mode the Sony´s thumb wheel is automatically set to speed, aperture and ISO.  You choose by pressing the thumb wheel. The thumb wheel lets you hear and feel the steps between the settings, you see the difference instantly between steps. If you hesitate, the HX1 stays in the mode until you press the thumb wheel to jump to the next mode. If you turn it to slow it registers, if you turn to fast it might skip a step.


If there would be a scale from "they just got it right" to "it must have been invented by drunken monkeys" the HX1 is absolutely at: "they just got it right".  For the Canon you can make up your own mind where to put it.
Please do not get me wrong, If you read this bolg so far you know I come from a couple Canons who did the majority of my shootings from 2001 to 2007. And the little Canon A60 was just a jewel (sadly she died when her Sony ccd failed me just a week after I got the Ricoh R6).
This is a macro from the Canon A60 and yes these 2 mega pixel cameras were sure sharp.
I really wanted to like the Canon SX, in my opinion she is still the better styled camera. So I try here to be as honest as possible and show you the facts so you can make up your own mind what matter for YOU.


Macro mode
The Canon can focus even when the object hits the lens. The Sony needs a minimum of 1 cm. WRONG! Both Cameras focus when the object hits the lens. The Sony might not show a focus lock, but see for yourself.



come closer, baby

No need to press any macro or super macro button. The HX1 finds the macro position instantly.

There you have it, just turn on the camera, press the shutter and this is the picture from the video above with the Sony HX1.

super macro Canon SX10

Do not compare the colors or other detail, the set up was totally different in the macro shootings. Just concentrate on the area of the spring to compare.

SX10 macro lossless crop



HX1 macro lossless crop. Different shooting environment than above.  Just look for sharpness and not color accuracy.


Now lets put Homer and a dictionary into a dark box and put a towel over it to block out most of the light. The HX1 instantly focuses the 5 cm macro.
 



You will notice that some of the clips and fotos here in this posting have a red or greenish yellowish hue. They been shot under an orange or lime green sun shade. So please look over the fancy colors, there where it is important to judge, pictures are shot in a neutral environment.

4 cameras to compare the distortion from a macro subject 1 cm in front of the lens.
Sony HX1 macro mode 28mm

The Sony macro was shot under less than ideal light settings, so discharge the uneven brightness please.


Canon SX10 macro mode 28mm


Canon S2 macro mode 36mm


Ricoh R6 macro mode 28mm


High speed shooting
The Canon SX1 shoots 4 fps permanently while the Sony shoots only a burst of 10 images and is then blocked for 16 seconds until all the pictures are safed. So you will loose any moment if you shot to early because of the long writing time.
WRONG!
The HX1 can shoot up to 10 pictures in one second and with this speed is one of the fastest cameras who shoots in full resolution 10 frames in a second.

So you missed your shot and have to wait?  Nope, just cancel the saving of the pictures anytime and instantly shoot again. Or shoot with 5 fps for 2 seconds or 2 fps for 5 seconds. Or in HD 30 fps for 30 minutes. But the SX1 can do that too. Its called video mode and you just grab a frame from there.
See, faster is better. Or do you shoot in high speed for more than 5 seconds? Your object might be out of focus in that time, because neither camera can auto focus during the high speed shooting.


Compare display and viewfinder
The Canon SX1o viewfinder is large and sharp The SX1 is smaller and has low resolution.
The Sony HX1 viewfinder is tiny but very sharp. You can not make out single dots. They are right in your face with the SX1 and acceptable small in the SX10
This is a copy from my SX10/SX1 blog:

The viewfinder is wide screen as stated by Canon Europe
Viewfinder EVF (0.40" type), aspect ratio 16:9, approx. 148,000 dots
Just got my hand on the SX1 manual and it seems I am right


If you shoot 10mp with the SX1 you have a 2.17" screen (something between the 2" from the S3IS and the 2.5" from the S5IS) with a 172.000 pixel resolution and your viewfinder will have a 0.31" with 110.000 pixel resolution and that is worse than the Canon S1IS from 2004 with EVF (0.33" type), approx. 114.000 pixels
Don´t believe me? Here is a 1:1 pixel count chart I made to believe it myself.


Since the viewfinder of the S2IS is even a bit better than the one from the SX1 in 10mp mode I made a side by side comparison so you will get an idea. Please concentrate only on the sharp parts of the image the unsharp is distortion of the picture taking camera not the actual clarity of the viewfinder.

Ok, so why am I so obsessed with the low resolution viewfinder you might ask.
When I brought my brand spanking new Canon S2 I wanted a camera with manual focus but with that low resolution viewfinder and the low resolution display what was too small (1.8") also I was not able to use successful the manual focus. It did frustrate me so much that most of the time I did not use the S2. Now 3 and a half year later I will not make the same mistake.

end of copy

Well, I did not make the same mistake. Even if the viewfinder is small on the HX1 it is very sharp. No problem to use manual focus and get it right. Here is a picture. Please just look for the sharp areas in the foto, it is very hard to get a halfway descend foto via macro through the viewfinder. But at least you get the idea.   

well to better compare I made the same shot from the Canon S2 viewfinder to give you an idea. Both fotos were done with the Rico R6 directly pressed onto the eyepiece. Both are 100% lossless crops of the viewfinders.

When you flip between the 2 pictures you get a good Idea about size difference. The SX10 viewfinder is even a bit bigger than the S2. They are saved in proportion to each other.
The Viewfinder SX10
(MACRO SHOT) the border unsharpness is from the macro camera

The HX1 filp display saved in proportion to the SX10


The Swivel Display SX10



The Swivel Display SX10 in bright sunlight
(the sun shines directly onto the display)

both screens should be display wise in proportions


Since the Sony screen can not be flipped around for protection, Sony put a sturdy pane over it. Sadly you get some bad reflections if you have it in the wrong angle (easy to fix just turn it out of the glare).
Compared by several reviews  they all come to the conclusion that th SX1 display is even a fraction better than the SX10. So judge accordingly.


The next 4 fotos are all shot from the same position and are lossless crops from 10 mp Canon or 9 mp Sony. They are shot at different times as yo can judge by the difference in grass color.
canon sx10 20x zoom lossless cropshot from a tripod with 2 sec timer delay to avoid any shaking



same shot but handheld

HX1 handheld
All subjects are roughly 200 meters (200 yards) away.
P Mode



Anti motion  blurrrrrr mode


Pee mode
(sorry could not help myself with this one, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy)


So, for every thing else to compare these cameras look into the different reviews (see sidebar).I think I covered what is important but not to find in the reviews. I also miss when they compare high ISO shootings to include the HX1 Handheld Twilight Mode. I bet in a direct competition it would leave all the other superzooms far behind and would even look good compared to the basic DSLR´S.
If one of you guys or gals out there have the chance to do a low light shootout between a DSLR and the HX1 Handheld Twilight Mode please let me know. Just post into our little forum here.
Since you have been so patient with me, here a couple dinos to end this post.
(cropped and resized)





and I let you go eye to eye with my dinos. The official name is Lagato for that species and they are on our island since long before a human set foot here.
So enjoy the little clip where the HX1 is on ground level.


P.S. After I finished writing this blog entry my time to "borrow for testing" was over. So did I return the Sony HX1 as I did with the SX10?
HELL NO the SONY HX1 is the most fun camera I ever had and I made even peace with the memory stick because on the SX1 I would need a 32 GB SD card to get the recording done I can get on the 8 GB memory stick.
( I believe this will be the last superzoom from SONY whith a memory stick since like with the phones SONY is leaving their memory stick behind)

Tuesday, August 4, 2009

Movie Time - the 1080p competition HX1 vs SX1 vs GH1 vs 5DII

Thanks to a very nice fellow who lives nearly exactly on the opposite side of planet earth from me there is comparable footage from the
  • Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX1
  • Canon PowerShot SX1 IS
  • Canon EOS 5D Mark II
  • Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH1

Thank you Gordon from Camera Labs well done.
You will find more general info here. Also you can download the short clips for yourself on vimeo and compare for yourself.
So I downloaded all the clips, made a capture from the same view and cropped the 1920 to 1600 because of the restriction here on blogger. The lost area is not important to make up your mind. In case of the HX1 the 1440 wide original was stretched to 1920 (as a player would do).
I chose that particular frame because you have lots to compare in it:

  • the mountains far away
  • the thin rigging of the smokestack
  • writing on the boat an farer away the sign on the house
  • bright reflection on the water and water reflection on the boat
  • dark reflection under the pier
  • detail in the dark area of the green house
  • the white pole next to the green house for purple fringing 
Let´s compare side by side
SX1 EOS
HX1 GH1*
HX1e GH1 720
 The GH1* footage sadly is out of focus in the are where I would grab the frame so this is the closest I could get.
The HX1e had the saturation raised by 40% to come close to the Canon blue
The GH1 720 is there just for aditional comparison

   

EOS and SX1 dominate with an extreme blue water.  There is a bluish hue over the mountains with the SX1 while the HX1, EOS and GH1 show them more natural.  The Lumix looses lots of detail in the water between the boats. The HX1 has the softest contrast setting and looses detail in the reflection under the pier. An up to 10% increase in contrast recovers the detail nicely. That is easy to do in the player or tv.  When I compare the water reflection on the back of the Fiordlander, the SX1 lost the right half of it and seems blown out.
The HX1 shows a tiny bit of purple fringing on the pole.The 720 mode from the GH1 shot in 60p  seems darker than the 30p shots from all others. The clarity off all shots is good and the 1.5 MP of the HX1 compared to the 2 MP of the other cameras seems to be irrelevant. I could not make out more detail.

Now let´s ask your friendly neighborhood histogram what it thinks about the footage.

 
  
  


Both Canons did blow out some highlights. Comparing the videos and seeing the problems in zooming and focusing the DSLRs having plus the 20x lens from the both superzooms and the nearly identical quality in full HD my conclusion is that the both superzooms are the clear winner in this simple video shoot out. I would love to see some footage in low light situations.
Hey Gordon next time when you go to church to do the high ISO shots how about a 5 second footage in full tele and full wide to add to the video comparison. That would be swell.
To me it seems the Canons are over saturating and need a negative exposure compensation from at least -0.7 to prevent blowouts.
There is also no visible reason that the SX1 file should be 4 times that of the HX1. I am very pleased with that since the HX1 can put the same footage on a 8 GB memory stick where the SX1 would need a 32 GB SD card.

From the footage we have here I would declare the HX1 the winner since she is the cheapest and needs the least amount of memory. She has the easiest to use codec and the 720p should play on most machines without a stutter it the right codec and player is installed.
A last word on image quality:
A while ago after careful comparing pictures from the Canon PowerShot SX10 IS vs Panasonic FZ28 vs EOS 450D / XSi  outdoor shootout I had some trouble seeing the big DSRL difference in shots at 100 ISO. Over 200 ISO the DSLR was the clear winner. But since the HX1 has a powerful twilight  mode I think Sony has a real winner here.
Please tell me what you think about the video image qualities of the 4 contestants and if you agree or disagree with my findings (as a HX1 owner since 4 days I might be biased) either by the HX1 only forum or by leaving a comment.
Update 2009.8.6
It seems, that the reason why there is not much difference from the video quality between a more than $3000 Camera and a less than $500 camera is that they both do not even come close to the 1920x1080 resolution.
A test from digitalcamerainfo.com states that:
Video Sharpness
The sharpness that a camcorder actually produces is rarely the same number that the manufacturer advertises. For instance, camcorders that output a 1920 x 1080 picture are not actually capturing one thousand nine-hundred and twenty horizontal lines of information. That's simply the size of the "container" that the camcorder outputs (also known as the resolution). In fact, there are lots of ways that manufacturers can play with the numbers, emphasizing capabilities of the lens, or the sensor, or something else.

The 5D Mark II captured decently sharp video. In our testing, the camera measured 700 line widths per picture height (lw/ph) horizontal and 650 lw/ph vertical. This is very close to the results we measured on both the Canon T1i and Panasonic GH1. The Canon HF S100 had the best sharpness of this bunch, coming in with 800 lw/ph horizontal and 650 lw/ph vertical. When testing the vertical sharpness on the 5D Mark II we noticed its image had similar aliasing and blur to the Canon HF S100. All this data is taken from testing the cameras and camcorder in their Full HD (1920 x 1080) modes.


Read more about this topic here:
How We Test Camcorders
For additional reading regarding the video capabilities of the DSLR´s look here for the GH1 and here for the EOS.

I will start digging into that and so could you. The way I understand the simple truth is that when we hear resolution we think that is x absolute pixel times y absolute pixel makes the resolution. It seems when the industry thinks video resolution they say this is the output container and lets see what we can fill in to it.